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Thoughts on the Meaning of Life…..by Todd Helmkamp

Be Careful What You Read

Posted by Vogeler on August 2, 2007

Here is an excerpt from a forwarded chain-email I received recently. My responses to each item are in red. Its worth a read, if nothing else to expose some common fallacies in Christiandom.
VERY INTERESTING-

1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq. False- we don’t know. Although the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in modern day Iraq share the names with the rivers in Eden, the original rivers were destroyed by the Flood (which wasn’t just a flood, but also terrible earthquakes and stuff. Genesis Chapters 6 and 7). The two modern, post-Flood rivers are most likely just re-named.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization! True, after the Flood anyway. But its not the only one.

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq. False. There is no Biblical evidence that Noah and his family lived in that region. Read Genesis Chapter 6. It doesn’t tell us where they lived. Tradition holds that Adam and Eve lived fairly close to the Garden of Eden after they were thrown out, but it is not very likely that the Garden was in Iraq (see above). The fact that the rivers in Mesopotamia are named the Tigris and Euphrates is no different from the fact that there’s a town called Mexico in Indiana. People re-use names. We have no idea where it was.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq. This is true. We actually get “Babylon” from “Babel”.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq ! True

6. Isaac’s wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq ! Not quite true. Nahor is a person, not a place. Many translations are obscure, and use poor English when they say “The city of Nahor”. Nahor is not the name. A better translation would be “The city where Nahor lived”. We don’t know the actual name of the city (although many think it is Haran, where Rebehak’s brother Laban lived (Gen 27)), only the region, Aram Naharaim, usually translated Northwest Mesopotamia. However, this region is in Syria and Turkey, not Iraq.

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq. Again, false. They met in Padan-aram, or “The High Plain of Aram”, which is in Aram Naharaim (see above).

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh – which is in Iraq. True

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel. True. However, Assyria was only partly in Iraq. It was in Syria and Turkey too.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq. False. Amos was from Tekoa, a small village 6 miles Southwest of Bethlehem. Very much in the ancient kingdom of Israel, not Iraq.

11 Babylon , which is in Iraq , destroyed Jerusalem. True.

12. Daniel was in the lion’s den in Iraq ! Probably not true. The administrative capital was at Persepolis at the time, which was not in Iraq.

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery Furnace!) True, although there is some debate about whether or not it was Jesus in the furnace. The Bible says that the fourth person is one who looks like “a son of the gods.” While Jesus might look like that (this is before He came to earth as a baby) it is more likely it was an angel, as they look pretty spectacular (so I’ve heard).

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the “writing on the wall” in Iraq. True.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq. True. Although not all of the captives were taken there. They were spread out over the entire empire.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq . True.

17. The wise men were from Iraq . Not necessarily. All we know is that they were from the East. It took them almost two years to reach the place where Jesus was (Herod ordered all baby boys under age 2 killed….). It wouldn’t have taken them 2 years to travel from Iraq to Israel (only a few hundred miles). They were most likely from Armenia (although Armenia isn’t much farther), India, or even Tibet or China.

18. Peter preached in Iraq . Maybe. Its possible that “Babylon” is a code-name for Rome. Tradition states that he and the other apostles did, but we don’t know for sure.

19. The “Empire of Man” described in Revelation is called Babylon , which was a city in Iraq ! True, but its symbolic.

And you have probably seen this one: Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq ! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible.The names used in the Bible are Babylon , Land of Shinar , Chaldea and Mesopotamia … The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers .. False! The city, yes. But the second-most mentioned nation is Egypt.

The name Iraq , means country with deep roots. Not sure about that.
Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible. No other nation, except Israel , has more history and prophecy associated with it than Iraq.

And also, This is something to think about: Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages …

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) Koran ( 9:11 ) –

For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle.. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; And there was peace. False. Qu’ran 9:11 actually says: “[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.”

So, we see that it is important to educate yourself, and not just blindly send on email forwards without checking your facts. That’s how people are led astray.

I welcome comments, additions, and/or corrections!!

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9 Responses to “Be Careful What You Read”

  1. nathan said

    thanks for blogging this. very interesting stuff.

    BTW, i like the new look. I was just looking a while ago and it wasn’t changed, and now it is…

    hopefully you’ll start blogging more often now, so i can get more frequent updates bro!

  2. slw said

    Wow, what a change in format. I hate those e-chain letters!

  3. Glad you like the new look, Nate.

    @SLW: It took me about 45 minutes to codify my research on this, and another 30 to re-format the email! I should’ve just re-typed it….. 🙂

  4. Michael J. said

    I hate chain-mail. I never EVER open them… even from someone that I really like.

  5. Adam said

    Okay I was going to say something about how the ark might have been built somewhere near Ethiopia because Noah’s wife was from Ethiopia and he was critisized because she was black (ethiopian anyhow, and often in the bible ethiopians are associated with having dark skin so its an assumption they critisized on skin color, but I think its a reasonable assumption)… but after searching I realized that was Moses that married the ethiopian, not Noah (Numbers 12:1). So nevermind. You’re good on that one… I just figured I spend 5 minutes searching so I’d at least let you know what I discovered. 🙂 lol.

  6. @Adam: thanks for sharing that! I didn’t know about Moses’ Cushite (Ethiopian) wife. I thought he only married Zipporah, daughter of Jethro the Midianite priest. But you are right, he married an Ethiopian. Although the Bible doesn’t mention how they came to be together, Josephus does (a Jewish historian. Search his name on Wikipedia). Check this out:

    http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=2359&pageno=62

  7. Kan said

    I also don’t believe Iraq was the birth place of the cradle of civilization, but I don’t agree with your findings as well. To take the book of the bible, the real name and meaning of is Babel, which you know the meaning of it when one (babels)as your road map to the truth only shows that you are more wrapped up in the BIBLE/BABEL/BABYLON, just as the majority of the world!
    I hope that you are pleased with your findings!
    Good luck on filling the minds of people with Babel! I mean the good word of the Bible!

  8. Welcome, Kan!

    Actually, “Bible” does not come from the Hebrew “Babel” which means “Gate of God” but from the Greek “biblos” which means book.

    Please check your facts before posting. Thanks!

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