Comments on: Toyota Prius Harms the Environment More than a Hummer http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/ Thoughts on the Meaning of Life.....by Todd Helmkamp Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:12:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: -Blaze Lawrence http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1436 -Blaze Lawrence Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:35:22 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1436 The other email address is actually agentwalker0003@cia.com. Sorry for any inconvenience. -Blaze The other email address is actually agentwalker0003@cia.com. Sorry for any inconvenience.

-Blaze

]]> By: -Blaze Lawrence http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1435 -Blaze Lawrence Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:32:16 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1435 If you tend to make long trips then the so acclaimed Prius doesn't make much sense again. The Toyota doesn't get nearly as good of millage when compared to some other cars. really in use the prius is good in a place like New York, New York, where a car is often in stop and go traffic, or just for around the block. A much more effciant car is for instance the Honda Civic (non-hybrid). Costs less, and is more fuel effective on longer drives, or small traffic jams. -Blaze I can cite cread-able sources. Plus my family owns both of these cars, and many other "gas saving, energy efficient, and 'green'" cars. If u have any questions Email me at mainebilly@comcast.net, or agentwalker@cia.com. I *WILL* RESPOND TO ETHER EMAIL. If you tend to make long trips then the so acclaimed Prius doesn’t make much sense again. The Toyota doesn’t get nearly as good of millage when compared to some other cars. really in use the prius is good in a place like New York, New York, where a car is often in stop and go traffic, or just for around the block. A much more effciant car is for instance the Honda Civic (non-hybrid). Costs less, and is more fuel effective on longer drives, or small traffic jams.

-Blaze

I can cite cread-able sources.
Plus my family owns both of these cars, and many other “gas saving, energy efficient, and ‘green’” cars.

If u have any questions Email me at mainebilly@comcast.net, or agentwalker@cia.com.
I *WILL* RESPOND TO ETHER EMAIL.

]]> By: nathan http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1282 nathan Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:26:50 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1282 I might note here, that even though the hummer report may be a load of crap, your numbers on the aveo vs. prius are good numbers. Even with my wife's yearly 20K a year, it would take more than 30 years to recoup the cost differential there. So, you still do have a valid point about the aveo. Just thought I'd through a little sugar in this thread. I might note here, that even though the hummer report may be a load of crap, your numbers on the aveo vs. prius are good numbers.
Even with my wife’s yearly 20K a year, it would take more than 30 years to recoup the cost differential there.

So, you still do have a valid point about the aveo.

Just thought I’d through a little sugar in this thread.

]]> By: ClimberDave http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1276 ClimberDave Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:41:56 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1276 I recently thought about buying a Prius. I decided that before buying I should take one for a long drive. So I rented one for three days and did a road trip. Sorry in New Zealand we use Litres and Kilometers I don't understand US units. First leg was 200km at night mostly open road but not freeway. The lights were great, no problems overtaking at 100km/h (60mph) quiet and smooth. The cornering was OK but not racecar like, perfectly fine for most situations. I got 4.6km/l on this leg. Next day was about town, pulling out into traffic it accelerated with ease on both city streets and motorway on ramps. It took a bit to get used to doing parallel park with the gears on the dash. Next day 100km on winding road with a large range of hills in the way. Twenty Km or so of uphill winding road, it handled this with ease overtaking it was easy to get to 120km/h from 100km/h even up hills. The battery did go down a bit by the top to about 3 bars but the downhill on the other side which is much steeper fully charged it up again. This was the first time we had a 5 min bar without using any petrol at all! The windy road on the other side at 100km/h was ok but not fantastic driving. I also own a 1100cc BMW bike so I do know about going fast and hard cornering. It did feel safe and didn't do anything I didn't expect but it didn't leap up and say drive me hard I like it either. Gravel road on a farmers driveway was fine with a bit of being bounced around due to the light weight and firm suspension, didn't have any trouble uphill on the gravel even when it was fairly steep. Was trying to keep the economy good but this was much harder to do on the winding country road as you would expect. Rest of the day was the trip home a few more windies and some motorway at night. Finally got home after 630km and put 30 litres of gas in which is fantastic! This trip would have cost me twice as much in my Toyota RAV4 three door manual. Next morning I gave the car back with a heavy heart, I just didn't want to give it back.\ It did everything I asked it to better than I ever thought it could. Great acceleration for everyday driving and overtaking, quiet, low fuel usage two people and heaps of luggage and it still felt empty and it has a feel good factor. So yes buy one, i will be as soon as I can scrape the money together :-) I recently thought about buying a Prius. I decided that before buying I should take one for a long drive. So I rented one for three days and did a road trip. Sorry in New Zealand we use Litres and Kilometers I don’t understand US units. First leg was 200km at night mostly open road but not freeway. The lights were great, no problems overtaking at 100km/h (60mph) quiet and smooth. The cornering was OK but not racecar like, perfectly fine for most situations. I got 4.6km/l on this leg.

Next day was about town, pulling out into traffic it accelerated with ease on both city streets and motorway on ramps. It took a bit to get used to doing parallel park with the gears on the dash.

Next day 100km on winding road with a large range of hills in the way. Twenty Km or so of uphill winding road, it handled this with ease overtaking it was easy to get to 120km/h from 100km/h even up hills. The battery did go down a bit by the top to about 3 bars but the downhill on the other side which is much steeper fully charged it up again. This was the first time we had a 5 min bar without using any petrol at all! The windy road on the other side at 100km/h was ok but not fantastic driving. I also own a 1100cc BMW bike so I do know about going fast and hard cornering. It did feel safe and didn’t do anything I didn’t expect but it didn’t leap up and say drive me hard I like it either.

Gravel road on a farmers driveway was fine with a bit of being bounced around due to the light weight and firm suspension, didn’t have any trouble uphill on the gravel even when it was fairly steep.

Was trying to keep the economy good but this was much harder to do on the winding country road as you would expect. Rest of the day was the trip home a few more windies and some motorway at night. Finally got home after 630km and put 30 litres of gas in which is fantastic! This trip would have cost me twice as much in my Toyota RAV4 three door manual.

Next morning I gave the car back with a heavy heart, I just didn’t want to give it back.\

It did everything I asked it to better than I ever thought it could. Great acceleration for everyday driving and overtaking, quiet, low fuel usage two people and heaps of luggage and it still felt empty and it has a feel good factor. So yes buy one, i will be as soon as I can scrape the money together :-)

]]> By: A Retraction « Pensées http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1273 A Retraction « Pensées Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:27:37 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1273 [...] In case you didn’t read my blog about the Prius not being environmentally sound, go read it now.  After doing some more research, I have discovered that the article I was citing was based upon [...] [...] In case you didn’t read my blog about the Prius not being environmentally sound, go read it now.  After doing some more research, I have discovered that the article I was citing was based upon [...]

]]> By: toddhelmkamp http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1269 toddhelmkamp Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:46:39 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1269 Dear Readers: Having read the report by Dr. Gleick of the Pacific Institute that was referenced above, and several other reports, I conclude that there are serious errors and misrepresentations in the CNW report, and that the allegations made about the Toyota Prius are not based in fact. I encourage my readers to check out the report listed above, and also do their own research. I apologize for having helped spread this unfounded report, and promise to conduct more independent research before posting something like this again. Thank you. Dear Readers:

Having read the report by Dr. Gleick of the Pacific Institute that was referenced above, and several other reports, I conclude that there are serious errors and misrepresentations in the CNW report, and that the allegations made about the Toyota Prius are not based in fact. I encourage my readers to check out the report listed above, and also do their own research.

I apologize for having helped spread this unfounded report, and promise to conduct more independent research before posting something like this again.

Thank you.

]]> By: ClimberDave http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1268 ClimberDave Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:12:33 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1268 I think if we are going to site this piece of poor science we should also let readers site a well written review of the article that tells a slightly more rosy picture of the Prius http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_of_science/case_studies/hummer_vs_prius.pdf It is a shame that the power of the internet to inform and educate is so aften subverted by those with agendas. It is even worse when that same gossip style science is given any creadence and repeated. I think if we are going to site this piece of poor science we should also let readers site a well written review of the article that tells a slightly more rosy picture of the Prius
http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_of_science/case_studies/hummer_vs_prius.pdf
It is a shame that the power of the internet to inform and educate is so aften subverted by those with agendas. It is even worse when that same gossip style science is given any creadence and repeated.

]]> By: toddhelmkamp http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1254 toddhelmkamp Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:23:17 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1254 Maybe I should reiterate that I am not advocating that everyone go out and buy a Hummer. My point is that the Prius is NOT everything that its made out to be: it is not the solution to our environmental issues like people say it is. Maybe I should reiterate that I am not advocating that everyone go out and buy a Hummer. My point is that the Prius is NOT everything that its made out to be: it is not the solution to our environmental issues like people say it is.

]]> By: Marc http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1253 Marc Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:04:21 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1253 http://www.jungle8.com/hummer_vs_prius.pdf It's actually kind of embarassingly obvious that the CNW report is a fraud. They won't reveal their funding sources or methodologies. Unlike nearly every other dust-to-dust study, they weigh the first phase (months of production) most heavily instead of the second phase (years of operation). And to get higher score for the hummer, they assume ~400k miles driven for the Hummer vs. ~100k for the Prius. There are powerful business interests that stand to lose from better fuel economy, and would prefer the public not buy Aveos or Priuses.....which are both great efficient cars. http://www.jungle8.com/hummer_vs_prius.pdf

It’s actually kind of embarassingly obvious that the CNW report is a fraud. They won’t reveal their funding sources or methodologies. Unlike nearly every other dust-to-dust study, they weigh the first phase (months of production) most heavily instead of the second phase (years of operation). And to get higher score for the hummer, they assume ~400k miles driven for the Hummer vs. ~100k for the Prius.

There are powerful business interests that stand to lose from better fuel economy, and would prefer the public not buy Aveos or Priuses…..which are both great efficient cars.

]]> By: toddhelmkamp http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1250 toddhelmkamp Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:55:07 +0000 http://toddhelmkamp.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/toyota-prius-harms-the-environment-more-than-a-hummer/#comment-1250 Welcome, Jerry! Do you have some sources for me so I can check it out? I will readily admit my mistake if what I've stated is incorrect, but I need to check it out for myself first. Welcome, Jerry!

Do you have some sources for me so I can check it out? I will readily admit my mistake if what I’ve stated is incorrect, but I need to check it out for myself first.

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